religion
religion? i am a free thinker.
do you believe in karma? i just believe i will reborn, as a human again, of course. life is so wonderful, even though sometimes it is so unfair, but still i enjoy it.
there is one believing that saying in order for you to release yourself from sufferance and misery, you must do goods and forget about anything, including SEX. (oh My GOD, i can never do that!). on the other hand, the teaching saying that you must filial to your parents. assuming if your parents are "spiritually" married and never come to "physically" married, sexual intercourse in other words, then how can you come to this world? isn't that this will bring us to extinction? and if you were born, then how can you filial your parents since you never exist? interesting question.
you must not gamble, but, from my understanding, life is a gamble game. simple example, when you planning to buy a pen, you have a huge varieties in front of you. ain't you are taking the risk to buy one that you think is the best one? what if you buy the pen and later you heeded that it was out of ink all in the sudden? when you order a food, even the presentation looks nice, but how can you tell the taste will be exactly same as your last visit? when you decide to go for a job, or a movie, ain't all these gambling in another form?
you must not drink, but i used to buy "yomeishu", "tang long", "red wine" and others to my parents, GOD, did i commit an offense? supplying something good to health for them, i commit myself as a "filial obedience" son, but on the other hand i am guilty of providing liquor to them. so how?
you must not say something bad. really? sometimes we used to praise and give compliment to others as recognition for their success and achievement, but who can tell in certain that if that fella just over join and become arrogant? then even i said good but ended up causing someone to get into hardship. contrary, if i say something bad to someone, but the negative words are actually motivate him to realize his weakness and anon he improve himself significantly, so even i say the bad, but the result ended up good. so how are you going to adjudicate my action?
you must not steal. if we never steal, then how we evolve? you can say that we inherent our knowledge from our ancestors, but isn't that we "steal" the knowledge from others' ancestors as well? we didn't ask permission nor apply from them, but we just observe and learn, isn't this is consider as "steal" as well? so long as you never get permission, whatever you get is appropriate and illegal = "steal", not necessarily physical object.
you must not kill. funny, every time you use your "dettol" to wash your hand, you are killing million of germs, and when you brush, you do the same. don't kill? kakakakakaka, stop the joke man. even you "accidentally" step on an ant, its still kill, no difference. you are a murderer, everyone is murder someone and something everyday, every second.
you must not have luxury life. serious? how to distinguish between luxury and comfort? wooden chair is definitely not my choice, it make my ass pain. cushion, yeah right, that is the better choice. OSIM? damn nice man, its my favorite. Ogawa also not bad at all. all these consider luxury? for rich people this is nothing, it is necessity. after a long day brain damage and exonerate work like ox, this is a must. nevertheless, for poor family, OSIM for them is just like a "chair in dream" and it is "luxury". so in which position do you judge the material thing is "luxury" or "normal" or "necessity"?
someone told me, "if someone slap you on your left, then let him slap on your left as well." thank you my dear, if you were to slap me, i will axe you or chop you, joking, but i will curse you for sure. if you were to slap me, i will definitely sue you for criminal offenses, battery, sexual offenses acts, Offences Against the Person Act, Criminal Justice and Public Order Act and Protection from Harrassment Act and so on. i can make a big load from there.
just be good and be myself. that's all. karma? for the moment i can only think of curry + kurma. everything and everyone has its own strength and weaknesses, just hold on to your own principal and believing, why mind the others?
there is no absolute wrong or right for everything. isn't it gray is a wonderful color? it is a mixture of black and white, and sometimes it is good to let some issues be rest in the gray area. it can avoid a lot of unnecessary argument.
mind you, i am not pinpointing to any religion at all, just a mere discussion. again, i am not here to provoke anyone or anything. every religion serve its own purpose, but for me, they have a common goal, that is to guide the follower to the better living. world peace, man. so why want to condemn others and elevate yours? why can't we learn from each other and improve our weakness from others' strength?
this world will be a fantastic world without the narrow-minded and wicked-minded creatures, ill-minded as well.
April 3, 2009 at 10:13 PM haha... i suggest u look into it more deeper... from what i know.. your knowledge for karma is at the surface only... very surface...
if karma is easy to understand... den everyone will be free from suffering immediately... eventhough u noe karma a little more deeper... there are a lot of things more to learn....
i dun wan to mislead u or anything... but the truth is... you are at the surface only... thats for sure...
one important thing i learn from someone someone someone.. is that.. whatever he or she or him or anyone write or told by someone someone someone... dun believe it 100%.. because past is past.. u will never know what has actually happened in the past... so u must experience it, experiment it by urself to see for ur self whether it is the truth or not...
it is also mean by dun believe blindly...
actually... what i have said just now is just information.. it is here for u to find out urself.. understand urself.. get insight by urself.. experiment by urself.. only den u can know whether it is true or not...
one thing i know is... because we had love... love is not a bad thing... but it creates suffering... ( i am just telling u briefly, anyhow dun make any quick conclusion).... new life(infant baby) sure will have to suffer.. thus born child means suffering... existence is suffering... because everything consist of suffering... to end suffering ( u mus find out urself... if i noe how to end.. den i wouldnt sit here also talking with u).... i can say many thing whole night... but i am sure u wont be able to accept everything straight away.. cause like i say... u need to learn, experiment, experience and get insight by urself... people can only guide u.. but u mus do it urself in order to relieve urself from suffering... because them themselves have not relieve from suffering.. how can they provide u free from suffering? they can only guide u... maybe to an extend of correct path... or maybe not...
April 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM life is not a gamble...
April 3, 2009 at 10:20 PM from what i noe is u r misinterpreting "filial"...
i had a story... about filial... if u wan.. i can sent the story to u...
April 3, 2009 at 10:24 PM if u do something not so good.. but it leads him to know his bad things... and he realise.. and corrected it... den the act is good...
depends on the consequences....
i have also a book.. that can help u understand more about this...
ur intention must be good...
i dun wan explain so much.. i scare i mislead u... but i am sure i can answer u back the question once i get hold of the book...
April 3, 2009 at 10:25 PM from what i see... i can answer all of ur questions...
if u wan to insult me in this.. u can always make appoinment with me.. haha
April 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM lol... ic.. u r talking about the 5 precepts... lolx... so funny la u... ur argument make me laugh...><... hehe...
i am not trying to make fun of u or wat.. no offence... but i think u reli need someone to guide u through this to understand the basics of 5 precepts...
April 3, 2009 at 10:33 PM lol... dun worry... if u wanna say anything just do it... dun worry... u r not offending the religion thing...
if more specifically... is buddhist right?...
btw... how much did u read it? for wat i know.. reading wont get u far....
i wont be answering all of ur questions.... got too much... time consuming..wakaka...
April 3, 2009 at 10:36 PM just to answer this 5 precepts.. it will need more than a dictionary to understand....
conclusion cannot be made just with mere few lines...
April 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM lol... i just cant stop..haha... ur question.. reli amaze me... ur question are reli reli good.. because it can be answered with good good answer... lolx...
killing? i am not so profound yet... but i know... explaination is not that easy... i mean.. it can be explained...
that is why... vegetarian doesnt mean u r not killing.. to get the vege or watsoever.. killing have already involved..
April 4, 2009 at 12:53 AM i might need to restructure and recorrect my sentence... any other religion teaches this too..not only for buddhist... but.. specifically.. since u say karma.. it should probably relate more to buddhist...
April 6, 2009 at 10:37 AM lolz, i am merely posting questions for discussion, i never mention any religion, don't get me wrong. please rebut my presumption with facts and examples, mere conceptual explaining is a bit hard for me to comprehend, and please list them from 1 to 2 to 3 and so on, thanks for the trouble.
i am waiting for your facts and proofs to rebut my presumptions. you are welcome to use the "5 precepts" to work out the arguments. please enlighten me with all the knowledge that you have.
thank you in advance. knowledge sharing and learning are always the best interest in me.
April 6, 2009 at 9:22 PM haha....i didnt noe it was a discussion... i mean.. it might be obvious.. but.. anyhow i make the conclusion too early.... sorry for that.. anyway... i'll share some knowledge with u once i'm free .... having exam tomoro.. and presentation on thursday... probably friday or saturday...
April 6, 2009 at 11:19 PM hey dude, please do feel free to echo your views. this is how we learn from each other and come to get better understanding as well. don't take it is i were trying to invoke an argument or whatsoever. take it as a forum to discuss openly, knowledgeably, transparently and beneficially. you may see it from the religion aspect or merely a daily life incidents.
maybe we can start the topics:
(i)life is not a gamble...
(ii)from what i noe is u r misinterpreting "filial"...
(iii)ur intention must be good...
(iv)but.. specifically.. since u say karma.. it should probably relate more to buddhist...
the last one, i did mentioned i never have the intention to bring the religion in this issue. i am a free thinker, i don't wan t to limit my scope to just one religion. it should be open for all. then only i can learn more from each aspect.
i am just too stress to open the topics to discussion. floodgates of opinions of "constructive arguments" are most welcome. thanks for sharing your thoughts with me.
please bear in minded that there is no absolute right or wrong answer in all the particular topics. you are your judge to adjudicate and decide the verdict.
to the solicitors and barristers,
nemo judex in causa sua.
audi alteram partem.
nulla poena sine lege, mere discussion will not amount to invoke provocation, slander and libel.
discussion is sine qua non to brainstorm new ideas and we do it in bona fide.
nemo dat quod non habet, i am hunger for new knowledge, so this is not an offense, right? referring to Art 1, Art 5, Art 6, Art 7, Art 8, Art 9, Art 10, Art 11, Art 14, Art 17 and Art 18 ECHR.
April 7, 2009 at 1:38 PM okok... i will bare that in mind.. according to act 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9... just kidding.. but seriously.. i will bare that in mind...
April 7, 2009 at 10:41 PM my dear, they are Articles 1-14, not Act. Act and Articles are different things.
April 9, 2009 at 12:03 AM haha..simply say nia ma...>< cheh...